Opinions needed... on colours

User submitted ideas for how we can make the Palette and Light Palette Consoles better
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Opinions needed... on colours

Post by AmberTomlin » Thu Oct 09, 2008 8:17 am

Hi all

I have two ideas which I think would be nice to get others opinions on.

:idea: First Idea: In the times display it's ben suggested that the dark grey colour which shows you that the channel's time is taken from the overall cue time is too dark and can't be seen easily. Rob asked me to put some colours together. I peronally like the Royal blue for updated independent timings and dark blue for the channels controlled by the overall cue time.

let me know what you think.... this is the first attachment.
Independent timings colours.JPG
First Idea File : Independent Timings
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:idea: Second idea: When using more than one submaster page it's been noted that people think the small star (*) that tells the users that the sub shown on the virtual subs page and on the hardware is from a different page is too small. What we discussed was the possible and a very small change in colour between the sub pages. On the screen this would show very quickly that the subs are from different memory areas. I've taken the colour that we have as the main body and used this to build upon. It doesn;t matter what way the sub pages change, either darker to lighter but I think you'll get what I mean.
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Second Idea : Submaster page colours
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Small points but will make those little niggaling things easier? Open both attachments for a better explainiation. :!: :!: :D

Thanks all.
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Re: Opinions needed... on colours

Post by RobertBell » Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:15 am

TIMES
I don't mind gray - I just agreed with you that the cue-time gray was a little too hidden on the black background. I'm also concidering the standard (lighter) gray for cue-time values and Royal Blue for values that have independant times (like the blue for attribute moves in this cue). Therefore, the contrast-impared person has a better chance to understand what is going on (vs. the colour blind person ;) )

SUBS
I think the different shade could work. but I'm worried we have too many 'decoder-ring' things going on. Currently we have:
  • <> - hardware is out of sync (mismatched) to the virtual.
  • * - sub is from a different page from current page
  • \/ - we don't have this - but we need something to identify inhibative subs (this is high on my list)
I'm open to any more suggestions as I don't think that * <> and \/ are workig for us.
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Re: Opinions needed... on colours

Post by AlanMartello » Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:31 am

Times:
I have no problem considering a change in color, but on my rotated display that I sit right in front of, I could not see either of the dark colors without juggling my head all around. Off-axis viewing of colors, especially on LCD screens used today is a tricky issue. It might be fine in a dark theater, but in brighter environments may be hard to see.

Subs:
I think both points are valid - hard to detect the change (vote for it) AND don't want a decoder ring (vote against it)
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Re: Opinions needed... on colours

Post by BillRichards » Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:05 am

Why would you not use the Up/Down/Tracked/Blocked colours.. That way you could get an idea of direction in the Times view...
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Re: Opinions needed... on colours

Post by JohnGrimshaw » Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:02 pm

Times
For me, the "dark" number was not really a problem, but there are a bunch of things that use this "dark" shade (patching), so maybe anything that is that colour draws from a central settings that is user alterable? I typically use the console in a dark space, and this grey was fine.

I also think you SHOULD use the Up/Down colours as for the levels display.

Subs
Make the difference significant. If the hardware fader level is mismatched to the software, it should be a WARNING colour (and roll the mouse over to find out what the warning is). Be careful about the "decoder ring" syndrome.

I would prefer an optional display that I can use to see "only active subs from any page", but then I there are a lot of "displays" that I would like to have.
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Re: Opinions needed... on colours

Post by AmberTomlin » Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:47 am

Times

the up/ down/tracked colours would work well, with a different colour to show the independent timings? However it may be as simple as making the grey already in the times display slightly lighter. I choose those shades of blue because I though it wouldn't be confused with colours already in the system. However it would make more sense to link the times display to the live display in every way so when you swap screens the only real change you get is the times in place of the values. the colours would always be the same as they were from the live display.

Subs

Maybe the change in colours is slightly too much, as John said all I really need is to know clearly that that sub isnt from the page I'm sitting in now. By hoovering over the sub I could see where it's from. Once change in colour could be enough...

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Re: Opinions needed... on colours

Post by KarelBartak » Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:54 am

To colours I have to note only one think. Looks bubbles have non contrast colors and should be changed. My operators in Nova TV have seen it when I upgrade to ver.10 and immediately starts complain. They call it "Shit on lighter shit" color (sorry for that words). If you have bit bigger resolution of screen bubbles and labels on them are not readable... They are all 45 and more old and as nearly all lighting guys such age have pretty strong lenses... Keep in mind that older people are operating consoles too... :shock:

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Re: Opinions needed... on colours

Post by BobbyHarrell » Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:50 pm

Independent Timing: I think all we need is a lighter grey. I am very much opposed to using blue or green. Those are for level changes and should NOT (can't stress this enough) be used for timing. We don't care if the timing info is higher or lower, the indication there is meant for an visual way to denote that it is modified and different from the default time. I like the grey for default and the white for an override. It's clear and it follows the idea of a hard value being white. Let's just make the grey a little lighter and move on.

Subs is a whole different story. Many people comment on the copper color but I'll tell you that we are not the only console software development team that is doing that. I believe we had a much better solution in the periwinkle sw. It went from light blue to light red/pink or something in that value. It was a much bigger difference and didn't make you wonder what the * or the <> meant. That is if you noticed the character change at all.

Now I'm against a Christmas tree effect as much as everyone else is but the entire background color needs to change and (not dissing Amber's suggestion) but it needs to be different enough to be noticable but not so different that it is distracting.

Inhibitive - a little "INT" in the corner of a differnt colored text would work fine.
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Re: Opinions needed... on colours

Post by gooze » Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:43 pm

Why do we need the default time? In any shade of grey, maybe it shouldn't be there. That might be even clearer.

I am very much for the different shades of colour for the submasters. No symbols please for matching things up. Those could be on the graphic representation of the fader.
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Re: Opinions needed... on colours

Post by JohnGrimshaw » Fri Oct 10, 2008 6:32 pm

gooze wrote:Why do we need the default time?
So that you know which channels are actually being used in the cue. Rather then showing a "time" maybe it should say
"default" or "Cue Time"?
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