Fixture Creator & Robe MMX Spot

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Fixture Creator & Robe MMX Spot

Post by charlesondrek » Mon Jan 13, 2014 6:01 pm

I am in the process of creating a profile for the Robe Robin MMX Spot and am running into some issues with how the fixture creator is reacting.

I went through all the steps to create all the appropriate channels and corresponding attributes & sections of each channel only to find that when I loaded it into the console, a lot of the sections were not looking right. I brought the profile back to my PC and looked it over and a good deal of what I entered in the Non-linear Channel Information window was missing (basically everything on from channel 22, section 14 and up - through to the final channel that has non-linear channel information which would be channel 36). I attempted to re-enter the information only to find that it wasn't saving anything that I was changing. At first I was saving to the same file name and location and thought that it was because I was overwriting on an existing file but changing the name had no benefit.

Why won't the fixture builder retain this information?

I have attached the DMX chart for the MMX spot.
I would attach the profile I am working with but the forum is telling me that "The extension tff is not allowed". If you have another means for me to send it to you so that you can take a look at what I have done let me know and I'll send it over right away.

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Re: Fixture Creator & Robe MMX Spot

Post by BobbyHarrell » Tue Jan 14, 2014 4:39 pm

Upload issues like that, you can just change to a legal extension with the instructions to change it. In this case, you can email it to me as well.

FYI, fixture creation is something that tech support can help with as well. matthew.peters@philips.com is very good at this.

Send it to me and I'll take a look. bobby.harrell@philips.com
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Re: Fixture Creator & Robe MMX Spot

Post by charlesondrek » Tue Jan 14, 2014 5:11 pm

Thanks, just sent the file over to you and Matt.

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Re: Fixture Creator & Robe MMX Spot

Post by BobbyHarrell » Thu Jan 16, 2014 1:43 pm

There is a limit of 204 items or frames that are capable of being saved in the showfile format of the console. That accounts for the limit within the fixture library software. The software itself only has the capacity of 2048 items and there are 10 units within the format. So…2048/10 = 204.
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Re: Fixture Creator & Robe MMX Spot

Post by charlesondrek » Thu Jan 16, 2014 1:50 pm

I'm going to need a bit more clarification here...
What's a frame?
Is this a limitation of the console or the fixture library software?
What do you mean "10 units within a format"?

I know that I could just control the light with just DMX values but that's like trying to run a mover with a two-scene preset. What's the point of having a console that can control movers but can't really handle all of their attributes properly?

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Re: Fixture Creator & Robe MMX Spot

Post by charlesondrek » Tue Jan 21, 2014 1:50 pm

Copied right from the Strand website:

"Strand Lighting’s 250ML console can control 250 channels for dimmers and 30 automated luminaires for Moving Lights and LEDs.
Your looks can be stored as either Submasters for easy access or Cues for traditional theatre playback.

With the 250ML console’s extensive and editable fixture library, you’ll never be without the tools you need to control your lighting rig."

This is not reflected in what I am currently experiencing with this console.

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Re: Fixture Creator & Robe MMX Spot

Post by BobbyHarrell » Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:35 pm

In trying to simplify the discussion and not define this with computer code language, the reason for the use of the word "frame" is referencing back to the world of controlling scrollers. Where a color parameter has the ability to breakup the DMX channels with frames that can be labeled and relate to each color frame on the scroller. We obviously do the same thing with color wheels, gobo wheels, control channels and more.

The 250ML console has a limit of no more than 204 frames total for each fixtures. This can be broken up across as many attributes as is needed. For example, if a color wheel has 10 colors and a gobo wheel has 10 colors and a control channel has 10 options. That would use up 30 of the 204 frames that are available for any fixture.

The structure affects both the fixture library creator software as well as the console software itself. The console only has the memory available to support these limitations.
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Re: Fixture Creator & Robe MMX Spot

Post by charlesondrek » Tue Apr 01, 2014 1:05 pm

So I am moving forward with creating a profile for the MMX spot and something peculiar is happening. I mapped everything out in the Fixture Creator and the "Tilt" of the fixture cannot be controlled - in fact, when I run the wheel for tilt it actually adjusts the channel for the frost in the fixture. It should be adjusting channels 3 & 4 (tilt Hi/Low) but 27 (frost) is changing instead. I have it set up properly according to the DMX mapping, and I have tried making a whole new profile from scratch to see if I did something wrong the first time around with no difference. Any idea what is causing this?

I have attached the profile file (MMXsp M1.pdf) which is actually a .tff file that I just changed the extension to .pdf so that I could include it.

Also attached is the DMX mapping (Robe Robin MMX Spot DMX charts.pdf) for the MMX spot.
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Re: Fixture Creator & Robe MMX Spot

Post by charlesondrek » Tue Apr 01, 2014 4:33 pm

Also, just FYI, I've tried making a number of other profiles that have only 10, 20 & 30 channels each (still following the DMX mapping) just to see if I get some functionality on the tilt controls. With the 10 & 20 channel profiles, tilt works fine... As soon as I got up to 30 the same thing is happening with the full 38 channel profile - the tilt wheel adjusts channel 27 for some reason and the fixture no longer tilts. I can send these profiles over also if you would like.

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Re: Fixture Creator & Robe MMX Spot

Post by charlesondrek » Wed Apr 02, 2014 4:31 pm

For those of you who may check into these posts for possible solutions to problems you might be having with the fixture creator, the solution to this issue I was having was to set the default values of the "fine" pan/tilt channels to a value of 255. Also, some minor renaming of the channels was done, which entailed changing the names of any channels that had a 16bit attributes so that each set had the same name. For example, I had originally named the channels for Pan as "Pan" & "Pan Fine" and now they are both just "Pan". The profile was working properly after these adjustments....

HOWEVER, I had to make another adjustment to the profile (I need to change the shutter channel to "LTP 8bit instant" as the fixture was not fading up properly) and the tilt is no longer working again. Adjusting the tilt channel has now returned to adjusting the frost channel and I can't seem to correct it.

Hopefully Matt over at Strand can save me again and get this working. Details to follow!

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