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Channel select and distribution issue

Post by PhilFoleen » Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:36 am

Here's and interesting bug(?) we found over the weekend that deals with distributing levels and times over selected channels. It's repeatable and is not fixed as of yet in 10.3.1 (Channel numbers are arbitrary, just the ones we were using at the time):

Working Result - Distributed levels and times over 101-109
101-109
@ 10-100
@ (in time)
0-5

Attempt to do the same over an odd or even selection

Bug #1
101-109
Select (S12)
Odd (S9)
(Result - releases selected channels on first attempt)

Bug #2
2nd attempt same keystrokes

101-109
Select (S12)
Odd (S9)
@ 10-100
@ (Result - Puts all selected channels at full with no time)

Bug #3
Same except last keystroke "@" is replaced with select (S12) Result - You get distributed intensity but no option for time
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Re: Channel select and distribution issue

Post by RobertBell » Thu Apr 03, 2008 4:12 pm

Thanks (nice detailed report) :added: FS645
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Re: Channel select and distribution issue

Post by RobHalliday » Thu Apr 03, 2008 4:33 pm

A related question:

If I have group 1 containing chans 1>100, does selecting them using group 1@FL remember the selection order? Or is the group treated as one 'thing' for timing purposes?

In particular:
Group 1: 1>100
Group 2: 101>200
Group 3: 201>300

If I go Group 1 THRU Group 3 @ 1 to 100
do I see:
Every channel at a different level?
1-100@1%, 101>200@50%, 201>300@FL ?

... if you see what I mean.

If it's the 'first' option, is there any way of 'flattening' a selection so that it's treated as one thing?

Thanks,

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Re: Channel select and distribution issue

Post by TaineGilliam » Thu Apr 03, 2008 6:20 pm

Rob, I love the thought of being able to treat groups as "blocks". this would be very cool and was briefly discussed earlier in relation to effects but could be very powerful as a general concept. The problem here is the syntax to determine when the "flatten" and when not to. There are bunches of cases where you'll want which ever is not the default.

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Re: Channel select and distribution issue

Post by AlanMartello » Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:32 am

RobHalliday wrote: If I go Group 1 THRU Group 3 @ 1 to 100
do I see:
1) Every channel at a different level?
2) 1-100@1%, 101>200@50%, 201>300@FL ?
You will see (1) every channel at a different level.
Groups are just recalled as individual channel selections.
I definitely see the utility in (2), but things were never designed to support that concept.
Saying that, besides the situation just described, can anyone think of other cases where this behavior would be handy?
I'm thinking potentially in effects, but not sure.
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Re: Channel select and distribution issue

Post by TaineGilliam » Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:52 am

The thread viewtopic.php?f=15&t=487 points to a bit of the discussion on effects and a tweaker idea Brian had.

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Re: Channel select and distribution issue

Post by TaineGilliam » Fri Apr 04, 2008 2:29 pm

Consider several electrics with differing numbers of fixtures and the desire to do a Upstage to downstage ramp. If each electric is a group then the syntax of [group] 1 [thru] [group] 4 [@] 30 [-] 90 [enter] is the answer if we had Rob's "Flat" groups.

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Re: Channel select and distribution issue

Post by RobHalliday » Fri Apr 04, 2008 3:50 pm

Alan,

As you might imagine, I'm thinking of a large LED wall....

If I want to wipe top to bottom one way could be to have a group for each horizontal 'row'.

I could then go:
GROUP 1 (top row) THRU GROUP 32 (bottom row) TIME 1 to 10/5

(provided group a THRU group b is a valid syntax... don't know if it is....)

However, from your earlier answer this wouldn't do what I wanted. So I'd need to do something like:

GROUP 1 THRU GROUP 32 FLATTEN time...

except that implies it would flatten the whole selection rather than each individual group. It's another syntax where the command line needs commas or brackets or something to let you explain the order you want to work in, just like mathematics....

Rob.

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Re: Channel select and distribution issue

Post by BrianEvans » Fri Apr 04, 2008 4:31 pm

I agree with Rob H. there, this is similar to the "use group blocks" parameter I proposed we need in effects.
Treat all fixtures in a group as one entity if desired.

Obviously both methods are needed.
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Re: Channel select and distribution issue

Post by JohnGrimshaw » Fri Apr 04, 2008 6:59 pm

This does raise the previously discussed issue of controlling LED walls via the palette. I know this is still "in process", but I saw an opportunity to point this out.
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