GeniusPro Setup

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Re: GeniusPro Setup

Post by JohnGrimshaw » Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:31 pm

Just my 2 cents:
Regardless of what the "little switch" positions are when you argue them into the various states for the various settings, when you throw the "Big Switch" and make the settings change, you should be able to see (if you want to) what the changes are without referring to a help screen.

The first time you look at the list you will say, "what does that all mean", but because you have selected an option that says "Work like Genius Pro" or "Work like Hog2", you can start from a point of reference that you understand - if you have used a console before.

This does lead to the question of what the factory default setting "is" or "should be" for those that have not used a console before.
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Re: GeniusPro Setup

Post by BobbyHarrell » Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:09 pm

This gets back to what Richard Lawrence and I (we) were working on years ago which is a first time turn on wizard that asks those sorts of questions.

I think we could start by getting all setting in the same place. Now 2 are in Show Setup and 1 in Hardware Setup.
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Re: GeniusPro Setup

Post by gooze » Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:52 am

BobbyHarrell wrote:To me, flipping the big switch with the console personalities gives most 500 series users what they want while keeping the setup options available, let's power users get in there and muck around. It also allows me and you as console support help fix problems that people get into.
I really agree. This keeps it simple.
BobbyHarrell wrote:I think we could start by getting all setting in the same place. Now 2 are in Show Setup and 1 in Hardware Setup.
That helps a lot in keeping it simple. But we need to have a proper look at the devision between what belongs in hardware setup and what belongs in show setup (button array is such a thing that could be argued)
BillRichards wrote:Taking this to it's logical extreem, then what would want then is a "learn my options" and save them as a different name. That is probably going too far, but by opening this discussion we expose ourselves to the spectre of such request...
Please not. Having too many different options for different people was one of the big issues with 500 series console.
I often arrived at a desk with the warning "please don't change any system settings", because otherwise the desk became unpredictable for the ones that had to work with it.
These user options should be on a showfile level maybe, whereas the desk as whole keeps its predictable functionality for everyone that has to work with it. Too many options is not good.
BobbyHarrell wrote:This gets back to what Richard Lawrence and I (we) were working on years ago which is a first time turn on wizard that asks those sorts of questions.
A kind of "set-and-forget" thing appeals to me.

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Re: GeniusPro Setup

Post by robhillig » Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:38 am

Not to monkey up all of this since this is one of the best threads I have read on any board ever...

...but the idea of a "work like gMA" or "work like Obsession" is terrific from the end user standpoint. From the service standpoint however it would be completely unmanageable. It will require tech support to know how to navigate in each of these environments. More than this though it means that when all of these environments are set up and all the "little switches" thrown by the "big switch", it will be imperative the service understand what each check box means.

Is there now a comprehensive listing of every function that is to be tweaked by the "big switches" and what they do?

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Re: GeniusPro Setup

Post by GaryDouglas » Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:10 pm

Bobby, are you insisting that in LP mode we must release (completely) on record -- that retaining the selection (but not the captured state) is not acceptable?
Just so I understand, please explain why the selection needs to go away.

As for options, we've worked very hard to reduce the number of options that are available, and we've tried to to what's sensible by default. The dividing line between hardware setup and show setup is the fact that things you set in the hardware area are saved in the registry and are loaded every time the console runs. Show settings are saved in the show file and are meant to be items that are show specific.

There is no real issue in making the personalities be like "setup Macros" that go through and set the options to a predefined configuration.

Do we need to discuss User profiles here as well -- just so we can get the big picture for the future?

Bill's comments are leading in that direction. Right now we save only 1 hardware setup, and there's 1 show setup in the sow file. Does all of this bring us to a point where we need to store configurations for each user of the desk, or are we only talking about named global configurations that include both hardware and show settings?

User settings may help with the "Don't mess with the settings" problem...

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Re: GeniusPro Setup

Post by TaineGilliam » Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:46 pm

I completely agree that there should be a few "big" predefined option sets: 500 LP, 500 GP... chosen from a combobox. The individual options would be displayed below but greyed out. If the user decides to mess with the individual settings he choses NEW, names his new personality, Sybil for example, the individual options un-grey and the user is free to confuse himself. The predefined option sets remain and can not be edited.

We would strongly suggest to users at training to stick with one of the predefined "personalities" until they are VERY comfortable with the board. For us the would almost always be "500 LP".

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Re: GeniusPro Setup

Post by mat » Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:43 pm

I totally agree with Taine, that would help new users,but in my opinion the software must be as customizable as it could be .
Closed option would be sad.
A free user settings for advanced users would be great.
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Re: GeniusPro Setup

Post by gooze » Thu Mar 20, 2008 4:21 am

I completely agree with Taine. I think this is the best way. Although it can be very tempting as a new user to start changing options because you cannot achieve something, you have to rely on the ones that have thought about the software a little longer than you have.
I think therefore that the options should indeed be greyed-out, but still very visible. A big "Advanced settings" warning must keep people from messing around too soon. Would that be enough?
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Re: GeniusPro Setup

Post by RobHalliday » Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:00 am

Just a quick note/thought on the old 500-series 'GP/LP" switch - which is to say that it was dumb.

It was dumb because while it did act as a master switch that changed the defaults for a bunch of sub-settings, there were also some settings it changed which you could not the manually change (ie. the default display type when you went into blind), and some setting which existed in one mode but not the other (eg. tracking off, not available in LP mode).

I never, ever understood why.

Just to keep in mind when discussing the pros/cons of the myriad of sub-settings. Either you need the one solution which is 'just right' (which it's pretty clear is never going to happen), or people need to be able to make it work the way they want/need it to work. Which may actually change from show to show (eg. a 4-cue play vs a 400 cue musical).

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Re: GeniusPro Setup

Post by BobbyHarrell » Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:43 am

So that gets back to 2 things. 1: Do we offer the right options. 2: what the settings are...

I still believe that Goto Cue on Record is perfect. It can be on or off. I believe that release fixture on record should only work when Goto Cue on Record is On. This will keep folks from turning Goto Cue on Record off AND Release Fixture on Record off and plunging the stage into black by bringing up lights, recording the cue and they all turn off because they have been released and you didn't goto the cue. This would be bad.

We currently don't have a record default for Tracking Off. This would be block the rig but with magic that gets rid of the redundant hard zeros.

Now let's try and answer question 2...

So we all seem to like the idea of these Console Personalities doing the big changes, showing us what they are and while using those personalities the options cannot be changed.

Let's start with the 2 big strand switches...

LP 500
Release Fixtures on Record: On
Goto Cue on Record: On (with this setting on, you can change Release Fixtures on Record.)
Hold Delta Levels: I think the safer thing is Off.
Default cue record: Live
Default look record: Live
Tracking Mode: Tracking

GP 500
Release fixtures on record: Off
Goto cue on record: Off (with this setting off, you CANNOT change Release Fixtures on Record.)
Hold Delta Levels: I think the safer thing is Off.
Default cue record: Live
Default look record: Live
Tracking Mode: Do the European folks want this OFF?

If we get these 2 right, then we can move on to add to the list...

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