How to control Attributes for running Effects using subs.

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How to control Attributes for running Effects using subs.

Post by soundguy99 » Wed Nov 04, 2015 8:24 pm

Hi,
I was wondering if there was a way to specifically set a look fadder to control a specific attribute in a running effect.
Were starting to get a few more concerts in vs the theater stuff, so, I created another look page, which is setup with more typical concert lighting effects ie balleyhoos, strobe movement, and is more setup more for on the fly type of controls.
With that in mind, in stead of having to use multiple subs for different speeds of the same effect, I was hoping to setup an attribute control fadder for the Rate or scale of the running effect regardless of which balleywhoo or zig zag pattern I am running. That way if I need to, in a split second I can preset the rate or scale of the effect i am about to run, before I actually turn it on. I suppose I could have a fadder to control the intensity, and one for the effect, allowing me to set it through the S keys first and then bring up the intensity, however without seeing it, its tough to gauge the rate, thought having the rate and scale on fadders might be a better option.
I did an search here on the forums, and there was a post back in 2013 with the same question, however it suggested that they adjust the rate through, the S keys as it is running. being all the updates, I was just wondering if there was a way to get those attributes on to fadders, just as you would for color, effects, or even the speed of the actual fixture, although in this case I don`t want the speed of the fixture rather the rate of the actual running effect.
Any thoughts are greatly appreciated,
Thanks,
soundguy

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Re: How to control Attributes for running Effects using subs

Post by BobbyHarrell » Thu Nov 05, 2015 4:04 pm

I've actually not tried this and it may not be what you want, however you might try creating 2 different effects (one with the slowest possible rate and one with the highest possible rate) and then use the two faders to crossfade between the two.
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Re: How to control Attributes for running Effects using subs

Post by soundguy99 » Sat Nov 07, 2015 10:05 pm

Hi Bobby,
We have a little quiet time recently so I have a a fair chance to play with it, including trying to create 2 separate effects including one slower. than the other.
The issue is that regardless what type of look I create (attribute control, LTP ect), all it does is let the current running effect to remain at its level, until the fadder is brought up to a specific level/point, then it immediately slows to that specific recorded level, then upon taking the fadder back out, instead of the effect returning to the previous speed/scale attributes, the movers stop moving (even though the effect is still running), in which case you have to turn the fadder/look completely down, completely releasing the effect (ie Ballyhoo) and then turn it back up again to restart the effect.
So although that method is great if you to use a specific speed for a variety of effects you have programmed else where on the console, it doesn`t give you the ability to incrementally control the speed of the running effect ie 1% at a time, by fadder.
I have even tried the attribute control with the actual tracking speed of the fixture which is not doing anything different.
The issues is that I am trying to create a separate set of 64 fadders that control a variety of looks specific to concerts,, including, wash's spots, strobe effects, and macro effects ie Balley hoos,, Zig Zag and others. Unfortunately , I don`t know the speed of the music, so, it would be nice to have the same control of rate and scale as I do using the S Keys, only on a fadder, so I can quickly grab and/or preset the speed and/or scale of the running effect and match the effect with the speed of the music. I realize the S keys are still available but you then have to select the running effect make sure you have the right menu, then hold down down the s keys while you scroll the wheel down to the desired effect. Just seems like allot of steps to me, great if youre able to program not so great if youre doing stuff quickly on the fly.
Thanks again for your help,
soundguy

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Re: How to control Attributes for running Effects using subs

Post by BobbyHarrell » Sat Nov 07, 2015 11:14 pm

Yep. I understand. I'm not aware of a better way at this point.
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Re: How to control Attributes for running Effects using subs

Post by soundguy99 » Sun Nov 08, 2015 11:46 pm

Hi Bobby,
Thanks for the suggestion, Although I wasent able to use it as an attribute control, I did use it as a master speed control forcing my movers to a specific speed for something else. What I did was create my general stage looks in the subs, then using the 5x5 position presets, augment only the positions of my movers, so they slowly move into the audience and other locations, then using the another look as a speed control release the augmented position, having them slowly having them return to their original position returning the control back to the look fadder, based on the speed of that speed fadder.
At this point tight now, I have the 5x5 pallet position page set to Select and apply levels so I have to press it twice to engage it but having to hit undo 3 times to disengage it, is there a way, to create a release button so I just have to hit it once. I have looked through the manual I can`t really find anything that applies to this situation. If it was controlled by fadder you would just turn down the fadder, but when its operated by the 5x5 I am not sure, and I just want to disengage the augmented position.Any time, I have read anything about release, it usually referrers to releasing a cue or cue list, or cue lists.
On a side note with regards to attribute control, I did try to use it on a fadder to control the Pos Rate and Tracking Rate of the Mac's and allowed to me to change from tracking rate slow medium fast, and move in black however when it got to increasing the HZ from 0 to 100Hz it went immediately to 100Hz it didn`t allow me to slowly increase the Hz 1 Hz at a time from 0 to 100.
Just thought I would mention it.
Again appreciate all your help,
Thanks Again,
soundguy

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