Strand 300 Replacement - Which Palette?

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Strand 300 Replacement - Which Palette?

Post by Chris » Sun Apr 19, 2009 8:22 am

Hi,
We've currently got a Strand 300 with 600 channels/400 attributes and I'm wondering which palette I should be going for? The classic palette looks like what I'm after but only starts off with 100 channels which I'd need to upgrade, so should I look further up in the range? The Palette VL range looks good with the added benefit of encoders/trackball, could you give me any help/recommendations into which one would fit the bill as a direct replacement?

I also have a few other questions:

On the consoles without a trackball can I use a USB trackball?
Will my existing ShowNet nodes work (SN110) with the palette?
Will it work with other 500s on the network?
Do you sell prebuilt flightcases for the palette range?
Do channels and attributes work how they've always done?

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Chris

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Re: Strand 300 Replacement - Which Palette?

Post by amoyer » Sun Apr 19, 2009 12:56 pm

Hey Chris,

I can answer a few of your questions. As for which desk, it probably depends on what sort of fixtures you are using. If you are using primarily conventionals then the classic palette ii is probably the right choice for you. If you need more faders or are using moving lights, then the extra faders and encoders on the Palette VL range would be better suited for you. The number of channels required can easily be upgraded on all consoles.
Chris wrote:I also have a few other questions:
On the consoles without a trackball can I use a USB trackball?
Will my existing ShowNet nodes work (SN110) with the palette?
Will it work with other 500s on the network?
Do you sell prebuilt flightcases for the palette range?
Do channels and attributes work how they've always done?
USB trackball works fine.
SN110 nodes work fine.
Palette console do not work together with 300/500 series consoles.
Not sure about the prebuilt flightcases.
With the consoles, channels and attributes are all the same now. If you have 200 dimmers and 400 attributes then you need 600 channels. There is no difference anymore between channels and attributes when you are purchasing channels.
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Re: Strand 300 Replacement - Which Palette?

Post by gooze » Sun Apr 19, 2009 1:46 pm

I would recommend the VL16 because of the small price difference with the basic. It has the same footprint and many more possibilities.
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Re: Strand 300 Replacement - Which Palette?

Post by Chris » Sun Apr 19, 2009 3:49 pm

Hi,
Thanks for the advice amoyer it has added to my understanding greatly. And thanks gooze for your input too. At the moment I am looking at the VL16, 500 channel version, one question with this, does it have the hardware to output 2 universes of DMX if I did want to upgrade the channel count? If not I presume I can use my ShowNet nodes to distribute DMX for extra universes?

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Chris

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Re: Strand 300 Replacement - Which Palette?

Post by amoyer » Sun Apr 19, 2009 3:57 pm

With the use of your nodes you can use as many universes as you have nodes for. Just because you would only have 500 channels doesn't mean that you are restricted to the first universe. The Palettes (including the VLs) all have 2 DMX ports on them. The Light Palette series of consoles have 4 ports.
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Re: Strand 300 Replacement - Which Palette?

Post by Chris » Sun Apr 19, 2009 4:47 pm

Thanks for the information Andrew,
Sounds like I need a demo of the Palette VL, I'll have to get that organised! When we first had a play with the Palette at PLASA whilst it was still under development Richard Lawrence and his team over at Cambridge had written the software so it worked seamlessly with existing consoles, I also seem to remember it having a Linux OS running the console? Am I on the right tracks or has this product dramatically changed from the original spec?

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Re: Strand 300 Replacement - Which Palette?

Post by jgoss » Sun Apr 19, 2009 8:33 pm

Chris wrote:When we first had a play with the Palette at PLASA whilst it was still under development Richard Lawrence and his team over at Cambridge had written the software so it worked seamlessly with existing consoles, I also seem to remember it having a Linux OS running the console? Am I on the right tracks or has this product dramatically changed from the original spec?
I believe this was all before Genlyte bought up Strand in 2006. Around that time Strand stopped developing the console software & started using the Horizon software (the software was much further along then the Strand software).

There are others on here that have far greater knowledge of this than I.
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Re: Strand 300 Replacement - Which Palette?

Post by RobertBell » Sun Apr 19, 2009 8:37 pm

Sadly Richard was made redundant (as were all UK employees) when the company went through that rough patch just befroe Genlyte (now Philips) bought them. Around the same time, the console s/w changed dramatically. No more linux and the code base is 110% different. A lot of fundementals have been (slowly) re-integrated into the already mature code base and our (Horizon Control - the softwarae team) relationship with the user base has been greatly enhanced by this forum. Richard has left the industry. A great loss.
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Re: Strand 300 Replacement - Which Palette?

Post by Chris » Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:31 am

Thanks Jon and Rob,
I did hear about the Genlyte acquisition of Strand but didn't realise the software had changed that much! Shame to hear about Richard, especially to hear the fact he's left the industry completely, very sad. Back on topic I shall organise a demo of the VL16 soon. This forum has been very hopeful so far and looks like it is excellent for product support, which undoubtably will add to my console consideration.

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Re: Strand 300 Replacement - Which Palette?

Post by BobbyHarrell » Mon Apr 20, 2009 11:28 am

I would definately recommend the VL16 over Palette IIs.
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