color looks for moving lights

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color looks for moving lights

Post by Bastiaan » Tue Sep 30, 2008 12:32 pm

Hello all,

If I patch one moving light and make color looks, what is the easiest way to also use these looks (with the tools button) for a second same moving light that I patched later. I can't use the earlier made looks for the later patched fixture of the same brand and type.

Making the looks again is the only thing I could find (copy just does copy).

And it would be convenient to make a look LTP when you want to save it, same for positions. Now I have to choose for LTP every time I record it.

Bastiaan

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Re: color looks for moving lights

Post by TaineGilliam » Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:56 pm

This sounds like another request for "Universal Palettes".

For now my work around has been:

Load the look
Copy to the new fixtures
Update the look

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Re: color looks for moving lights

Post by gooze » Tue Sep 30, 2008 5:46 pm

Bastiaan wrote:And it would be convenient to make a look LTP when you want to save it, same for positions. Now I have to choose for LTP every time I record it.
This one is simple: first record all your looks, then go to the looks-display and select look 1->look type. Hold shift and your down arrow and press EDIT (INSERT on a normal keyboard), now you get the drop down menu for all your looks to make them Assertive (LTP).

Your other problem is a bit more work, but if you make a group out of the fixture to which you want to copy, you can use the copy function to copy to all those fixtures at once. you still have to do all your color groups one by one.

Make a group or submaster with all the destination fixtures.
Go to the (in blind or load it) color look. Press [Copy] [S10 Fixture][S1 - Source Fixture] # [S6 Group] (Select the group you just made) [OK] [S9 - Attributes] Select only color [OK]
And then off course update the color.

Voila. But man... that is lot of keystrokes. Anyone heard of an ancient function called automod? :cry:
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Re: color looks for moving lights

Post by gooze » Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:06 pm

TaineGilliam wrote:This sounds like another request for "Universal Palettes".
I think when you start in extra moving light into a show that already has some color/gobo/etc groups, the desk should ask the question
"Do want to share common looks (color/gobo) with the same fixtures already in your show?"
If you click "Yes" the console does this for you.

Must even be possible as a LUA script... if I where good at that.
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Re: color looks for moving lights

Post by Bastiaan » Wed Oct 01, 2008 3:21 am

Thanks for the answsers. To Taine, it is indeed an implicit question for universal palettes. But till then it would be easy to have a workaround without that whole lot of keystrokes (thanks Floriaan) copying from one fixture to the other.

Furthermore I think colorlooks, positionlooks etc. must be saved automatically LTP. Dimmers are the only attributes I would like to have HTP.

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Re: color looks for moving lights

Post by gooze » Wed Oct 01, 2008 5:40 am

Normally you wouldn't store positions, colors, etc. on your faders, but in the position/color/etc. lookpages. There it happens automatically. To be able to easily store in the proper lookpage, set your group key to the looks you want to program.
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Re: color looks for moving lights

Post by Bastiaan » Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:02 am

Hello Floriaan,

I know you normally don't store colors, positiones etc. on faders, thats why I wrote that I use these looks from the tools menu. When I record these looks, my Palette doesn't store them automatically in LTP.

I already changed the group key to position to use these in a fast way. Maybe it would be possible to use [SHIFT] group for a second function, in that way I can use it for for instance positions and with the shift key for colors.

Bastiaan

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Re: color looks for moving lights

Post by Bastiaan » Wed Oct 01, 2008 9:04 am

update:

I found out that, for instance the color for other fixtures are recorded in the look, when they are active (red in the screen). If the color is not active, that fixture's color is not recorded into the look. So if you want to record a colorlook for more fixtures, just make the color active by selecting all the fixtures and move the color just a bit till it's active

Now I have more Palettes and they act in a different way!!

One Palette changes the color from the other fixtures to red when the color is active and when I record it as a color look! So I end up with for instance red for all fixtures with color active when I save it as a colorlook.

The other Palete does not do that, it leaves the fixtures with (an other) active color untouched, but does save it in the look.

I don't know why they act in a different way. Does anyone know?

Bastiaan

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Re: color looks for moving lights

Post by gooze » Wed Oct 01, 2008 11:37 am

There are different record modes. Record live stores everything, record delta's only changed fixtures and attributes.
That is on the record end of things. To get things in and out of your looks you will see in looksdisplay on the top left part of your screen that each lookpage has different letters behind it's name. They stand for the attributes that this lookpage controls. (P for Position, C for Color, G for Gobo etc.) If you rightclick a lookpage and go to properties you can set the behaviour of the whole lookpage.

I hope that this helps you out a bit more.
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Re: color looks for moving lights

Post by BobbyHarrell » Wed Oct 01, 2008 2:19 pm

Bastiaan,

It would help us at Strand to know where you are located so that the proper person, whether that be an Authorized Service Center or one of us from Strand can get you the help that you need. I'm in the states and would be happy to help. You can call me in NY at 212.795.3043 if I can help here.
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